Sorry, I do not. If you dont have the money to afford models, dont buy them. the books are out there the rules are out there, it would be like if Monopoly was suddenly no longer made every one knows the rules and can build their own board quit being GW fan boys they dont give a shit about you. I love the crocodile tears about the indie companies. And dont forget about the spacedwarfs aka squats. Too draconian prices. Recommended Products For The Miniatures Hobby! The difficult thing is to develop a miniature from scratch, starting with an idea that begins with just a few pencil strokes on paper. When Games Workshop uses ONLY domestic materials and employees, thats when Ill stop augmenting my official purchases with personal recasts. I am relatively new to the hobby maybe 4 years now and get the argument from each side. Of course, cheaper things are always more attractive, but it comes back to the principle of supporting your local business. Some of the casts I have bought would struggle to be used as scenery they are that bad. Appealing to modelers if futile in my opinion, there is not enough power in that argument to change buying habits. I havent bought any GW recasts yet but I support it because if it eventually hurts GW enough that they reevaluate their business practices and lower their prices, that will bring more people into the hobby and overall gaming will be better. No well known miniature company is safe from this practice. It is not a matter of victimization or educating anyone, but it is about making all our followers understand that the illicit practices of the recasters are causing us to be little by little in danger of extinction if we continue to feed them. . However, it is unknown if sellers have been similarly notified or if there is just a lull in listings. Nor over on Volomir talked about some of the reasons why miniature copies need to be []. Imo it tells me that they severely overprice their products for maximum GP. For the good health of our hobby. I would say though that what you talk about is a different topic to what we are discussing in this post. Forge world is horribly over priced and shit quality. Game workshops prophit have been that big that instead of making their models cheaper for their customers they gave their staff a 2 thousand pounds bonus ( tax purposes) so boo hoo if the greedy fuckers are losing in the grand scale of things pocket change. Youre not automatically entitled to them. Youll argue but I havent taken anything and the owner of the IP still has their product. But heres the kicker. #22 to #20 - manollette . Z Catalog Recast. during the month, more than 5 times the quantity that me (the creator, designer and fighter) sold the same month. (and here I come back the argument) its the small independent places that can no longer get the movies into big cinema chains because they wont bring in the numbers to cover the costs. GW greed and agressive copyright protection has no sympathy in my hart, not to mention rule changing every year and leaving youngsters out of hobby due to pricing. If you plan on punishing players (and I mean PUNISH them) when you compare what you offer for what other reasonable vendors offer, you find re-castes are a result of your own actions. But in the past 2 years their stock has sky rocketed. I do not buy such copies for moral reasons, but I will not buy original figurines. enter the latest monthly giveaway for FREE today! Just saying, this argument is fail. You know what happens? All of my recasts are better quality that forgeworkd or other manufacturers. Even so, this work is not enough to come even close to the original. You stole it. A quick check of eBay appeared to turn up way fewer listings for "Forge World" than last week at this time. If you are honestly trying to peddle such nonsense as recast being better than originals you are either seriously deluded or an outright liar! Lately all brands have seen how our creations are being reproduced illegally and without any scruples in a massive way. It is wrong but it is also stupid. They stole the right to complain about re-castes when they demand unreasonable prices, and thus stealing the joy of the hobby. 20+ years of Warhammer and I only found out about recasts a few months ago. Anyone reading this would be excused from thinking that any cheap kits from a country other than china are OK. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device. You have entered an incorrect email address! That is crazy for such a quality. After what number model those artists are paid ? Believe it or not, this industry grows out of passion and love, the same we pour on every project on our workbench. then those models end up being resold to people on ebay and those are usally ones you see in bulk packages on ebay with out the boxes and sheets. They were available on the ebay site of the Chinese network named Taobao. Instead of looking into the business that are in the climate (and possibly are the reason for the climate being the way it is) we try to cancel culture those in the hobby. A regular in national events wherever they are, huge advocate of hobbying with good beer and friends ;). For legit business there is high quality resin, concept art, sculpting fees, box art, advertising and labour, please dont minimise this with a flipant statement. Seriously, those copies are better quality than originals looking only on those pictures. Games workshop has an extremely bad ethic towards its pricing, I saw a comparison of two kits, with a near identical amount of plastic used for the construction and both were released in the same time frame and likely designed side by side. You stole the right to use that miniature in your games, to paint it and to present it to your friends IRL or on social media. Hell, 5 years ago they were barely with 10 dollars a share. Those are the nice guys who brought us age of sigmar, which made great armys obsolete and huge investmenst of time and money into them void. But theyre not paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for a plastic mould. The models chosen are both from Forgeworld, the Elysian Tauros Venator and the classic Lietpold the Black. Whats the actual law being broken when purchasing a recast? A model is too expensive in your opinion and dont worth the money? Enjoy the hobby, dislike the business practices. Seriously, if you received the package and looked at it carefully, you would understand what we are talking about. Finally, are you sure you arent a recaster? I totally understand how the purchasing of recasts of existing stock is hurting miniature companies, but what do you think about the recasting of long out of production (10 years plus) miniatures? I myself am very pro recast, that being said maybe 5-10% of my models are recast. Someone mentioned looked at Rackham games as if recasts are why they went out of business. I completely agree with your statement. We are talking about recasts: illegal copies of miniatures. Umm. Ive never bought a re-cast and never will. That does not mean I only buy from a recast seller , but expensive and big models worth of the discount . These illegal copies are either found in the second hand market or directly by those looking for a 70% discount or more. There are so many classic wfb models Id love to buy, but the second hand market is just crazy since aos happened and some models are just near impossible to find, even if you have the money. They tried to grow way too fast and their main game had waaay to many units and thus huge costs to cover it. Now, companies like Games Workshop are a ethical grey-area for myself, because their business practices/efforts are not in consideration of the gamer (in my opinion). I bet you steal music and movies. You have not idea about, a totally ignorant. You guys do a great job on this site/blog. If we demand fairer prices and go outside their control, it is because they are not catering to the majority of their customers. Despite every measure taken, with the evolution of websites and social networks, recasting has become nearly unstoppable. Im having to search now forgeworld has stop so many horus heresy models. These companies do not pay any IP rights. But some of our niche names might disappear over night. This also amounts to stealing somebody elses work. I just bought Dreadnought with 2 sets of weapons and I paid > 100 EUR. There's several recasters that operate based on email, and the subreddit posts reviews of their products. I blame LEGOs. And when issues of copyright are at stake, it fascinates me how Nuts planets are ripping off HBO with game of thrones piracy, yet they are the most in vogue celebrated manufacturer. I have to necro a bit here. GW going out of business would be the best thing in the world for the hobby. But good way to name and shame yourself, although I doubt there is any shame there. Look at Rackham from 10 years ago. And it came out that GWs cost for all of those things including packaging and advertsiing, on a $45 Marine Squad box came to $5, including materials. Quality and durability is a real issue with their resin, Ive had several LoTR finecast models break on me while gaming far too easily, usually on fine detail or blades thats near impossible to effectively fix. They were producing beautiful miniatures (crazy complicated game) but they were cut the margins too thinly. The elitism of GW is a prime example; They go so far as not allowing official models in their store tourneys, even when a reasonable counts-as. It is our aim to be an inclusive and wholesome place for all. CCoN has lower inventory variety and higher cost, but he's cheapest when he has a sale and it's really good quality. GW also has a massive network of stores. We are saying to watch out for recasts of other artists personal work. I thought he was describing forge world quality there for a second. The assumption that any money spent on recasts would have gone to GW is incorrect. I will always buy the original product when I can, but Im also going to buy high quality recasts for models that I need multiples of. But there is a thing Id wish to point out, its the Chinese stigmatisation I am french living in China for about ten years now, and Chinese bashing is just a constant thing I hear from most of westerners and is absolutely not right either. Spikey Bits is a site about the hobby of tabletop wargaming. Changed their name many times, now operating via email sending emails with links to the actual catalog. They are very complicated to clean, and with a lot of burrs. The cheap cost of resin you mention would only be associated with recasters. With Z, the above linked infantry squad is $16. Ought I go back to whipping them, or should they be permitted to return to working in the fields? Especially when taken out of context or without a clue of whats going on here Sure there are Chinese recasters, unfortunately I hate to break it to you, but all of the biggest and well known recasts world wide produced here are made by westerners Bummer. Did you complain about the Starbucks/Amazons/other tax dodgers? They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars creating their cast presses for the units. But if they got a fund together and I am sure there are enough lawyers between hobbyists that can support it pro bono. GWs greed and extortionate prices. Many RPG fans turn a blind eye to PDFs from defunct publishers, but studiously pay for legitimate PDFs from current publishers seeing the former as preserving the history of the hobby. As in Id pay the IP holder for this if a legit copy was available, but since the company is gone/author is dead/etc. Great article, it is a fair fight and I am seriously pleased to see this being taken seriously, even in the comments section. Recast popularity reflects that or they would not keep popping up. As evidenced with comments, for a lot of folk price is the issue and they will choose alternative, albeit poor quality. The resin used is crap, brittle, with a lot of detail being lost and probably it is even toxic. I have no remorse whatsoever for GW. What do you think of the latest Warhammer recaster to get shut down by Games Workshop ? Their miniatures are good-quality. The above is, again, scare-mongering. Copyright 2009-2023. The cost of your model is not only resin, but a sum of the voice, buy from a recaster and you are a thief like the recaster itself. This would be paradoxal. Also, these fake copies come without any instructions (as opposed to, of course, the original Forgeworld copy). There is no better way to understand the lousy quality of these recasts than by putting them in front of their originals. Its come to a point that, as I said before, this damage can only be prevented by us, the consumers. We are always keen to ensure continuous improvement of our processes, so you will be involved in researching and identifying new ways for Games Workshop to approach infringing and counterfeit product removal and implementing improvements to the infringements process.. Recasts: 3 reasons why we need to avoid illegal or unauthorized Amazing D&D Fantasy diorama tabletop terrain. These artists may not be local, but they are the ones putting all of their time and effort into bringing you these wonderful creations, only to be outdone by a random recaster. Spain (for example) has been famous for doing this for a while. But what about the giant press they had to design and manufacture. Shortcuts: "C" opens comments. Personally I would like to see new players pick it up and have the hobby flourish. Not the original miniature companies.. Like any economic entity, they need to obey the law of supply and demand ACROSS their customer base. I mean even though its hella shady its much easier to just buy a cheaper version of the model even if its a knockoff. We mainly cover Warhammer 40k, Fantasy, Age of Sigmar, Warmachine, Hordes, X-Wing, Infinity, Horus Heresy, and Star Wars Armada. Finecast is so good, I really dont understand recast buyers ! Soon they will be 3D scanning and 3D printing and mass producing making more profit. Find, rate and share the best memes and images. Both have exactly the same parts. I dont agree with that it is stealing, its models I would never buy anyway. Youre a thief. There was something about those little-colored blocks that started it all Twitter @catdaddymbg, Get ad-free access to our hobby videos, a monthly crate of miniatures, and support some of the best creators out there for as little as, If you buy something from a link on our site, we may earn a commision. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. We arent saying you shouldnt buy alternate versions of models that you can use in your tabletop games. A quick check of eBay appeared to turn up way fewer listings for Forge World than last week at this time. If I had to choose between paying my electricity bill or having a dread saurian , its crystal clear. The quality is just as good as forgeworld, sometimes you need to add a little greenstuff though but the same goes with forgeworld models. Sure, theyre making each box manually. Recasters are selling multitudes of more models than the actual creator. Somone else will reinvent a more reasonable wheel. Tripling the quarterly profits isnt exactly telling me that they are covering costs and slowly expanding. However, basically its the same piece, without any add-ons, so it works to do the comparison. One must ask whats in the customers best interest? Also, the resin used for the recasts is a very smelly material, with a very weak and brittle body, and you have to be careful with it at all times. Ok fair enough, our companies are small and action costs. Nor is an active and enterprising collaborator of many projects related to our community, contributing with ideas, work on social networks and the Internet. I look forward to you trying that defence in court. . @Greg. Recasting is a side effect of greedy companies or individuals that take hobby members for granted. Im not into recasting but what I find ridiculous is Games Workshops prices. Although you will see the very evident differences, during this comparison you will find the original piece on the left pictures and the recast to the right. Just saying individuals like that who do that have no moral compass. I got several figs from them, all ended up at GW legal that promptly provided me with a . Alecs is really right for all that fantasy models he refers were sculpted by artists and then casted to mass production, usually in metal and made of thick components. There are MANY legitimate streaming options that are legal and same for MP3s. I totally understand the problem with stolen IP and that the problem must be addressed, but I would also say that in regards to out of production miniatures that in economic terms GW are not providing what the market wants, so the market is finding alternative ways to provide it, unfortunately these arent legal, but on the other hand this is an avoidable situation for GW. I now rely on trade forums to find slightly reasonably priced models. You aren't allowed to use recasts in a GW store, for one (though depending on the quality, people might not notice). Warhammer fantasy was half my life and then they did this to me.. fuck them. Dont get confused. In this role, you will be monitoring websites and sales platforms to identify infringements and counterfeit products and then you will follow a structured process for removing those products, reducing counterfeit products available across all sales platforms and websites. why is it that if I spend 70 on a primarch from forgeworld, I have to send at least 3 or 4 of those parts back to be exchanged because of mould slips or just general terrible casting and I will likely have to return one of the replacements they send me too. We just make claims. And its not more acceptable if its one of your friends or idols who did it (remember a particular space wolf bust?). Box 2225Southern Pines, NC 28387United States of America. What companies are u using for recasts? They are the backbone of the operation and have done this for years to create wonderful minis as well as a great line of paints. OUR EXISTENCE IS IN DANGER! You arent using a recaster, he is using you. We cant do anything but have thought experiments because unlike other companies, GW wont discuss the affects of recasting and no one has published any kind of reasonable peer reviewed study. This is no reason to price them with a disparity of 15-20 thats just a poor outlook. FWs resin is also crap and brittle, not sure what your point is there. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/. Detail is not lost when buying from larger recasters. The other aspect is quality of product, I know a lot of LoTR players would rather buy metal recasts from ebay rather than finecast versions of originally metal models from gw (basically all the elite troops were switched from metal to finecast when finecast first came out, so its not even the improved finecast). In addition to this, the flat parts are not flat by any (ANY) means. The manufacturer isnt benefiting from this situation either. Recaster Z is the lowest cost and highest inventory overall, with a bit of a cut on quality. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry behind this hobby of ours. All rights reserved. So as far as Im concerned welcome to freakin reality; where everything is as shodily made as they can get away with and consumers will seek in the inevitable tug of war to get the most value for the very sacrifice of their lives for the slim hope that they might spend some of it in enjoyable repast. As Infringements Assistant, you will assist with all things relating to infringements. But, from my experience, smaller manufactures like Andrea, and Pegaso, and Scibor, and Blacksmith, etc. This is How to Play The Conquest Nords Army Faction, Final Changes Are Here For 9th Edition 40k: Balance Datasheet, Good Luck Getting The New Lion, Dante or Azrael 40k Models Now. Their heart is closer to their craft, and I could not justify owning their product while paying someone else for it. No one has put more indie model firms out of business than GW. Unconditionally passionate about our hobby, Norberto lvarez has been in love with figures and static modeling since he was 11 years old. Its inevitable anyways in the next 5 years with 3D printing. Yes. And thats what will happen if recasts become a thing. Copies from recasters, most of the time from China, are at first glance an option to acquire otherwise expensive miniatures at affordable prices. Rackham died because they didnt know how to run a business. It's not illegal to buy them, though, just to . You retard, that was already included in the measurement. Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. Thatll add on the time it takes to pour the resin, and remove it. Just out of curiosity, what about recasts of long out of print miniatures, or miniatures from defunct companies? We pay so that the company we like so much is able to surpriseus again in the future with yet another piece to continue enjoying our hobby. As a result, everyone is losing I, the Chinese, Games Workshop. Its all for love. Recasting gives these filthy companies a taste of their own medicine. The people who are buying the recasts are ruining the hobby for the simple reason they are are robbing the people who bring these sculptures to life for us, without out these creative people this hobby wont survive, so are slowly killing it, why would companies carry on if someone is going to rip them off, a lot of these companies are small industries they can not take the financial hit, they are entitled to make an honest living by buying off the pirates, you are steeling money from the people you admire, else why would you be buying the figure in the first place, no doubt the scum who buy these are the same who dont pay for their music and probably have a stash of rip off DVDs too, stop being cheap skates support the talent or loose it. Copies from recasters, most of the time from China, are at first glance an option to acquire otherwise expensive miniatures at affordable prices. I mean, yes, you have to pay sculpting, designing, producingBut after a certain amount of models sold, the rest is profit. So the person being greedy here is you. The resin *can* be toxic, but buying from larger recasters is safe. Speaking strictly GW, it is hard to say what effect recasting is having. Let us know in the comments of ourFacebook Hobby Group,and make sure youenter the latest monthly giveaway for FREE today! Even so, I think this issue began with Chinese copies of Forgeworld references. While actual models are 3D printed from a computer file done by a minimun wage payed designer and then casted the most hollow and thin possible to minimize costs and reduce durability. If you order anything that is not titan sized you get all the same issues the recasts have. We see three key points to avoid these false copies: And if after reading this article you want to do something positive about this, its quite easy actually. Continue with Recommended Cookies, A major recaster in China is closing up shop after being contacted by Games Workshop regarding their Warhammer. See our, and recently hired an infringements assistant. In the case of this piece, originally from Forgeworld, I had a small problem with the recasters. Blaming the pirates did not work for the music or film industries, it will not work here either. Here's his speech in full to read all at once. I have a motto I live by it.regarding others if you lie,you can cheat,cheat you can steal, steal you can.lets just say theres many cases of some folks needing something bad ,dont have the money and try and steal for itthings escalate and then murder becomes involved. 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Obviously, as you will see now, the original copy hasvery good quality in every detail. It didnt take long for GW to take action, and after a while it became nearly impossible to find these copies online. This really rips ma knitting this! Try again. Its about supporting companies that support your interests by creating models and figures you enjoy. You can call people that buy recasts thieves I hope you enjoy your elitist hobby with the few people that can afford to play it. Another army made unplayable. You think they magically pump out miniatures at just the cost of supplies you are an idiot. Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. Another person trying to justify theft plain and simple if you dont like the prices dont play the game there are plenty of other great options out there at the moment. I have been here buying from my local store from the past 25 years. If that was to happen then there is a chance of changing something. Now we have to spend 40 on a family trip to the cinema. Not me. Is it okay to create my own miniatures if they are not a product that Games Workshop creates or has any copyrights on? The person being greedy here is you. Virginia Restless, Miniature Painter & Cat Dad. They had major financial crisis, had to take crazy decisions Gone! Rules Recaster Z is the lowest cost and - #171951649 added by manollette at Desu Korps of Kreig 21 2019 Games Workshop Warhammer 40k Ork Boyz $40 A recasting catalog 2/2/18 A recasting catalog 2/2/18. Some of our partners may process your data as a part of their legitimate business interest without asking for consent. Quality of some recasters is much higher than Forgeworld. Recast companies will be making more profit than the small indies as they dont have any other costs. Recaster Z is the lowest cost and - #171951649 added by manollette at Desu Korps of Kreig Upload. Thats despicable. Nice article, only preaching to converted. @Greg smith : Everyone before me has already said what is correct. Its very easy to make an illegal copy of a miniature, especially if the country where its made has bad labour policies. Check out Yoyhammer. Really you are the idiots here supporting such a corporation. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry . It looks all of you here have enough money to afford 300 pounds a month to spend on models. I dont want to be pointing finger, but we cannot choose to ignore part of IP basic principles, and focus on some others. You are completely right about this. or have you forgotten about the atrocious quality that was Citadel Finecast, here despite the shit quality we still saw an increase in price. Prices go up. I hope the author never watches streaming movies or mp3s. And a very recent case of IP theft in Spain as you mention has brought this into the spotlight, but we havent found the time yet to properly talk about this very important matter. The China Warhammer recaster known as CDR recently announced that they are: shutting down business for good and that a handful of people are buying all their master molds. At a glance, recasts appear quite similar, but when looked at closely, important flaws become evident. These artists work hard. Judge yourselves. So recast companies will push this margin further and further. @Italeri Games Workshop prices are high, but they are not massively greater than companies like Knight Models. So, no, thats straight up greed, and while morally not as bad as 700% increase on the cost of pharmaceuticals, its the same mindset. Whats the actual law being broken when trading for a recast model? The 9th Edition of 40k is going to be open and crowd sourced by the players, for the players, for the betterment of the game instead of lining GWs pockets. After all, they also pay the same fees and have lots of competition. people who dont play a game ultimately kill the game/hobby. My FLGS is not GW. Cant have it both ways, either strict on piracy or not. Unfortunately, the quality of their products leaves much to be desired. western companies sell out their own customers and citizens with foreign labor then cry about IP, its a joke. There was a demand so the pirates appeared they sell cheaper and often better quality. With Z, the above linked infantry squad is $16. They are bentor folded, transparent and rough surfaced. 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